Taking a Poll: How many college grads out there?

I'm just curious. Is it just me that feels like getting my college degree was a waste of time and money? Am i just jaded or disappointed with my own life? I made the stupid mistake of getting a liberal arts degree in psychology. Nobody told me that basically you can't do anything with that. Come to find out, I would have been better off going to a trade school for about a year or so and could have been making more money. A dental hygenist makes close to $60k/year. Not bad for someone without a degree. Ultrasound techs also make decent money. But nooo....i chose to go to school for 4 yrs, still in debt with student loans and still not making the money i feel i deserve to live a decent lifestyle. Plus, my job sucks big time and i feel trapped.
Can somebody show me some love and let me know that i'm not the only one. I used to have thoughts to go back to school to get a Masters but i'm starting to realize that another degree will also be useless and i'm better off trying to start a business of my own somehow.


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Submitted by Kakarott on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 14:35.

I took Performing Arts for 4 years, Hate to blow my own horn, but I was THE best actor in my class, I had the nick name "Man of a thousand voices". Trouble is no agents seem to think that I look right for any parts......go figure, so now I am a cleaner, and earn about £4,500 a year. It makes me laugh, now I have been a frickin cleaner for 3 years, I cant seem to get a decent job BECAUSE I have been a cleaner for that long, I thought about going back to uni again, but I now cant afford to. I am much worse off than you, and it is likely that I will stay this way, I am 25 and cannot yet afford to move out of my parents house, but then my 22 year old brother does 60 hours a week and he cant afford it either, in other words I am fucked.

Submitted by pratmeister on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 01:53.

Always felt screwed that I got shafted out of Uni at 18 by an education system (SA) that seemed designed and run by the inhabitants of mental asylums. Spent 3 years on the dole, did a business course, got a Certificate, couldn't get a job. Another year on the dole, another business course, another certificate. Couldn't get a job. After another year, finally got an office job. LOATHED IT. Found out I could now get to Uni as a Mature Age student (could have done for 3 years, but no one volunteers information in this country). Went to Uni on a supposed film-making course. Turned out to be a crock of shit - you didn't even get to TOUCH a camera until about the 3rd or 4th year and were supposed to get into debt for 20,000 a year to talk about homosexual undercurrents in "Strangers on a Train" or some such. Quit. Back on the dole. Did another business course, got thrown it after 3 weeks for being overqualified! Another year, forced onto Work For The Dole. Degrading. A supposed "office" placement which had me washing down a disgusting, putrefying old fridge at ine point. Which they then decided to throw out anyway. Thought "fuck this", heard about a supposedly better media course at a different Uni. Total shit, of course, but I stayed for 4 years just to keep the hell away from the dole, and got a Diploma in Editing and Proofreading from a different college while wasting my time there. Ultimately was forced to leave, and, lo and behold, that Diploma has got me shit, and guess what?
I'm now back working for the dole. I can't even get a crappy job working in a department store/supermarket. I had an interview but I suspect because I was honest about not wanting to work evenings that was me fuckd right there and then.
So I'm now 31, living with my parents, couldn't afford to leave, with no job, a shit load of qualifications - some of which for things I've no chance of doing and some for stuff I DON'T WANT to do- and this is my life. For someone regarded (and not just by myself) as creative, artistic, and intelligent, this ain't exactly what I was fucking expecting.

Submitted by SleepyHead on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 14:49.

I got a philosophy degree 10 years ago this month. In terms of personal development - a good move. In terms of getting a lot of money and screwing beautiful people every night it didn't do a damn thing. Apparently people who do philosophy make good lawyers and accountants, but I can't imagine two more soul-destroying professions.

Frankly I'd have had more luck getting rich selling my ugly pox-ridden body to any willing stranger.

I, too, am fucked.

Submitted by Snowflake on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 14:52.

I have a degree in communications and a diploma in journalism. Big waste. I know people who have a grade 12 education and make more money than me. What's even more maddening, they aren't very smart! I work for a financial advisor and I do anything from data-entry, processing applications to translating letters. I guess my job isn't that bad. I'm still using some of my skills I developed while in school. However, I'm not content in this place because the people I work with are fucked....really fucked. Plus, there's no room for advancement, unless I want to sell insurance. Fuck that!!!!

So yeah, I know what you mean.

Submitted by juliewess on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 16:09.

I got a degree in Political Science which is a most worthless degree. When I got out of school I interviewed with the Secret Service, they didn't want me -- too old. I ended up doing something completely different than my degree but, yea, I know plenty of High School grads who make a hell of a lot more money than me.

It made me think what a waste my 4 1/2 years of college were/are to see so many dumb asses making 80-100K and they can barely sign their name on their paychecks to cash them because they are such troglodytes.

Life is unfair.

Submitted by Jadedcynic on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 16:51.

well several reasons- the main one being that I just kinda didn't want to spend the money and time. Now I do the job my sister went to 4 years of university for, and she's still in debt. My company trained me on the job, why...ahh because it's cheaper. Now my sister is doing nothing to do with her university training and making the same money as I am......but I am still wondering what I want to be when I grow up..there has to be more to life then this!!

Submitted by HangingOnToHope on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 17:47.

I've wriiten a couple blogs on this topic. I received a degree in management information systems, a mix between business and computer classes. I worked in the field for 5 years making good money but hating every minute of it. Now most IT programming jobs have moved to india and china so even if i wanted to stay in the field it's very difficult to find a job unless I've been using a language or piece of software for 10 years or more. Not only that but the industry changes so quickly I'd constantly have to attend training etc.. just to keep up. So now i'm making a living doing something that doesn't require a college degree. College is VERY OVERRATED.

Submitted by Tearful on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 21:46.

Three years out of law school. I'm still making less than all of my relatives who did not go to school (at least those who work).

However, I don't think it was a complete waste. Things are looking up. I got a decent raise, plenty of vacation time. New opportunities are opening everyday.

I would recommend to those of you who feel they have worthless degree to maybe try the tech school route. It'll only take you one year and you'll be able to say you are a technician and college educated. These people have the opportunities to move up to management in time because nobody else there has a degree.

Go for it. Make your financial dreams reality.

Tear

Submitted by copycall on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 22:48.

I quit college before graduating, struggled for about 6 years in low paying media jobs while I kept developing marketing/communication skills. Finally got a good paying government comm. job. I've been at it for nearly 20 years and I'm stuck because I don't have a piece of paper. I got a college diploma a couple of years ago through independent study. Now I'm working on a communications degree because I need that stupid piece of paper to have a shot at jobs with more responsibility out of this small town I'm stuck in. Doesn't matter that I have 20 years of experience. No, I have to take courses like cultural policy in capitalist societies before anyone will look at me for a better paying management postion.

Submitted by napoleon on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 23:35.

Yes, I said it. A college degree is totally worthless in my opinion. I should know, I have, oh let me count, 4 degrees and am currently unemployed. Let's see. When I left high school so very long ago, I had no desire to go to college and so started working at Arby's, a fast food restaurant. I became an assistant manager within a year. I was making good money and the job wasn't that hard. But, stupid me, I started listening to other people who said I should go to college and get a "real job" or should I say a "real CAREER."

Duh. Idiot that I am, I wasted the next four years getting an associates degree and bachelor's degree in broadcasting. Now, that is the most useless degree on the planet. I found out that jobs in broadcasting pay less than minimum wage. In fact, it's a well-known fact that you are supposed to work for free as a broadcasting intern for at least a year or two to get your foot in the door. Fuck that. So off to graduate school since I thought being a librarian would be a better paying job (at least ten cents above minimum wage).

After wasting two more years getting a grad degree, I landed a librarian job that paid less than my Arby's job. Oh yes, things we're looking up. After awhile I was tired of living paycheck to paycheck and people said the only way I would make more money was to get another degree. Fucking idiot that I am I went to law school (don't ask, the worst decision I ever made). Three more wasted years later and absolutely no law firm would hire me. I guess I'm just an asshole, but not in the good asshole way of most attorneys.

So I ended up working at a law library, again getting paid shit and then on to Big MOD, which was just pure hell. In both places, no one gave a shit about my education or "degrees." In fact, if I had just stayed at Arby's I would be making more money than any of my previous jobs (I would probably be general manager now), and would have gotten a free car (the franchise I worked for gave away free cars to good managers). But nope, I listened to the fuckers with their fucking American dream bullshit and wasted nine years on college.

Someday I will take a match to all my diplomas that hang on my "wall of shame."

Napoleon

Submitted by tune_girl on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 06:01.

yeah, fuck the liberal arts degrees!

fuck most university degrees, actually. unless you are an engineer, nurse, teacher, or computer science geek. i thought i was bad off with my degree, but my friends of varying areas of study are no better. one has a music degree (ok, it's a given that someone might as well have given her a sheet of paper that said 'you are fucked' instead of her diploma for all it was worth), but i have another friend who did some grad school in science. here is a lesson to all you folks out there: if you are going into the sciences and get accepted into grad school, finish the damn degree. unless you have your PhD, you are going to be a monkey in the lab.

it's also why i've gone onto something more....shall we say, Sally Strutherish in my career pursuits? i'm not sinking a boatload into a major university now. screw them because they screwed me. i'm at a community college, and I understand that people in my upcoming field can make some good money and there is room for growth...plus, as the other smart person said, i also have a college degree on top of my pending associate's degree.

of course, if i had all the money and free time in the world, i'd like to have an English degree in creative writing. again, that's a complete waste since i'm a poor person because i've already been down that garden path before. you're dealing with snobbery from people who teach in universities because they don't want a real world job and who can afford to turn their nose up at the establishment and fling pooh at the bourgeosie, yet, i dare them to name off any of their pet students who have actually gone on to do something that they could actually make a living off of.

Submitted by nacho_bitch on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 14:50.

BA, film/video production and communication, minor in theatre. What a joke. I'm the ONLY one in my position right now with a college degree, and some of my coworkers make more than I do. The only good thing I did was to learn Spanish in college, which landed me the 24k a year job I'm at now.

I'm in grad school for counseling right now. It'll take me a while, but I'll have an MS and be a licensed professional counselor, plus I'll have internship experience (which my school will supposedly help me find.) So if I survive that, MAYBE I'll be able to get something decent!

Submitted by UncleJR on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 16:35.

Well, what I've run up against is that it seems EVERYBODY wants somebody with a fucking degree. Forget the fact that I have over 30 years out of school getting my head handed to me. Forget 20 years of supervisory experience in and out of the military. Fuck that, we got some kid with a degree in advanced underwater basket weaving who will make a great assistant manager. So kindly go fuck yourself.

It may seem like the degree is worthless, but I'll tell you what, it's a hell of a lot harder sledding without one. Unless you are able to get into a trade somewhere. (plumbing, welding, body disposal, whatever)

The sad part is, I'm really not impressed with some of the results I've seen comeout of college. Can't spell worth a fuck, can't speak or communicate, ZERO FUCKING PEOPLE SKILLS!

Fuck these people who seem to think that you need a college degree to sweep fucking floors! Bastards!

Submitted by napoleon on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 14:19.

I recommend that you move to Syracuse, NY pronto. All job postings require no college degrees. Seriously. Maybe in large "high tech"
cities, employers look for college-educated people merely to weed out the large amount of applicants, but here in podunk country, "there ain't no need for no book-learning."

The only calls I have received are from employers out of state, who always say that they prefer local candidates first. I have received no calls from employers in this town. Yes, a college degree is worthless, and I agree that people should be hired without one. On the flip side, I should not be penalized for having a degree (or two). Here in Syracuse NY, if you have a degree, you are overqualified for any job whatsoever.

Fuck it, I'm bitter.
Napoleon

Submitted by lonewolf on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 23:13.

I got a degree and no i aint using it for nothing...i got a BA in communication and i have not used it yet, and its been about 1 and a half years since i graduated from college...i have a low paying job right now that i can only hope to keep, but the job sucks so much that it makes me sick...there are so many things that i would rather be doing than going to this job that i want to just tell them to just take this job and shove it...

but i cant because i need this job to pay student loans and what not...but i digress...you know the sad part of all this is? ive got relatives that didnt go to college but make more than me, and they are pushing this whole college thing on my little cousins and what not and it annoys me....

Submitted by tune_girl on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 00:22.

i think i had read somewhere that communications degrees were the way to go.

hold on! let me finish before you start throwing things at me.

i think that whoever writes that stuff in magazines is full of shit. oh wow. they have a communications degree and they are now happily employed in their field and telling others that this is the land of opportunity.

i know two people with communications degrees. one got hers about 20 years ago and is so far removed from doing anything TV related that she actually asked "do they still scroll the script for the news on paper for the anchors to read?"

why, no, lady. that's what teleprompters are for.

not that i've been there to personally witness computers in progress in the news room.

i have another friend who is now working at a billing call center via something technically related in TV. he has tried to sell a script or two with no luck.

my theory on communications is this:

the schools need to be mean about who they let in, like they need to be really mean about what people are allowed in drama, music, and art programs. the cut-off is NOT how talented you are. no. they should only take those who willingly do artistic stuff in their free time. this way, you are getting people who have a small inkling of how the world works and that they aren't going to be Julia Roberts.

they then need to make everyone take a minor in dental hygiene or air conditioner repair. i say that we should end the cycle of turning out embittered and unqualified college graduates who will be delivering pizzas or working the help counters at Avis rent-a-car. give them a useful trade. this will also make the parents happy because the parents realize that their money is being wasted so that their kid can be a glorified telemarketer. plus, we can all agree that most of the "filler" courses are a bunch of garbage. oh yes, taking a intro to art class is great. it will make you a more well-rounded individual that can go to parties 10 years later and say "i saw that painting once, but i can't remember where..."

let's face it: universities are for rich people as they have been for centuries. yes, Lord Wingnut could send his son off to study Latin and the Greek classics because he was just going to spend his days shooting quails before daddy kicks the bucket and bequeaths him all the land and money anyway.

we middle classers are finally lucky to be able to partake in this ritual. they made it easier for us with student loans and scholarships, and they lead us to believe that we'll finally be somebody once we graduate with a degree in Women's Studies, but let's be reasonable about this for a minute: colleges were never really designed to provide people with good jobs. they were meant to give rich people the power to say "i'm rich and i can frivol my time away learning important things because i'm not out in the fields picking cotton like you poor people."

Submitted by tune_girl on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 08:20.

i might be unpopular for this as it is un-p.c., but let me finish my argument before you lay into me:

i think that giving benefits to persons of certain origins should be limited.

this is not what you think. i'm all for letting people have additional benefits at the beginning because i do understand that some schools suck ass and there are a lot of assholes with money that don't want to send "their" money to "those" kinds of schools and so people are disadvantaged if they want to go into something artistic when they've gone to schools that had limited resources vs. those schools with the rich assholes that come with a staff of private tutors for each student so they can come out amazing.

what i mean is that there should be a 2 year grace period and then everyone sinks or swims.

why? because i think it's a complete disservice to allow people to go on and waste their time when the school is just letting them coast on through for the school's benefit of saying "see? we let black people in."

i know of a person who was most likely accepted into an artistic program at their university because they were a minority. hooray that they were given that chance, right? except that from the very beginning, the school didn't spend a lot of resources on this person. nearly everyone else got full professors with professional experience to give private lessons while this person got a graduate student. this person then decided they wanted a concentration so they could teach, but they've decided this person was in for long enough and they quietly showed them the nearest exit door.

and while this artistic degree was pretty worthless anyway, i wonder what favors they did this person by letting them finish the way they did.

this person decided that they wanted to teach and the department was like "you've been here for long enough....just finish what you have and get out" and while i know it's not their place to help people find a job, let's just think back on what their big factor was in even letting them into the college to begin with and see that they were obligated to finish what they started. they wanted to admit a minority student just to make a more diverse college? fine. do that. but don't treat them like they're tokens. either hold their hand and see it through or let them prove themselves and do them a favor and say "we gave you a chance, but this field is dog-eat-dog and you aren't up to snuff...."

and i don't mean just do that to all minorities. i think they should do that to everyone. i think they should honestly make anyone who has an artistic degree log so many hours on their own time in their pursuit outside of the classroom. if they paint things, sing, make films, or write plays there should be an end result they should argue before a jury before they are allowed to continue with their studies. i think that there should be an end product every semester where the student does something to prove that they should be in that college to begin with. that they are motivated and actually want this because i think that otherwise, you are wasting that person's time by allowing them to pursue a fruitless degree.

Submitted by copycall on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 00:47.

With the shortage of tradespeople that's the way to go. Big bucks in plumbing. Even the doctors, lawyers, and Bill Gates have to use toilets. I know of tradpespeople making six figure salaries with bonuses and overtime. Univesities are so out of touch with the marketplace it's pathetic. I've worked in communications for years and have kept up on developments in my field. The courses I have to take to fulfill my communications degree requirements have absolutely no relevance to the real world of corporate communications. Who gives a shit about this or that school of thought, and marxism and dominant class theory??? I want to learn how today's media is changing, the mega takeovers and how to deal with those changes. You know, practical stuff that you would actually use in a job!!! Oh, and most of my course material (I'm doing this degree through independent study)is at least ten years old. I think that communications has changed a bit in a decade, no? But they continue to charge full tuition fee for an out-of-date course with a tutor who tells you that his dinner is in the oven when you call during his conference hours and rushes you off the phone. Hope he enjoys his Kraft Dinner 'cause that's probably all he could afford with his liberal arts degree.

Submitted by hyena8 on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 12:20.

I have a Bachelor of Arts in Communication. Sounds impressive huh? Well it's not. I wanted to go into newspaper work but there is no fucking way to get into newspaper, radio, or tv. So I decided that my degree comes in handy for toiler paper because I am too fucking broke to buy the real stuff. 4 years at a private college that didn't know fucking shit about how to find me a job despite me going to these 'job hunting classes' and bugging the head of the job service department 4 or 5 days a week. 'There are no jobs at the moment' is what she told me. After a string of miminum wage jobs, I finally found a half ways decent job but it has nothing to do with my degree. I just feel so useless sometimes. Why did I waste all my time and money? To work for $10 an hour?? And there are no fucking jobs in this part of the world and there is no way I am moving away again for another $10 an hour job. Life's a bitch then you die.

Submitted by thebitterone on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 18:35.

My degree is so useless and silly that I am ashamed that I ever found the idea of attaining it worthy of hope and time. Being the first in my family to attain a degree, I stood as the shining trail blazer to a better world of opportunity. I earn less with a degree than I did without one. My last experience with job hunting taught me that it was far better to drop the degree and leave that portion of my life unexplained-maybe I was a drug addict, a prostitute, homeless and insane all of which were preferable to having gone to college mounting up ridiculous slave inducing debt and saying look at me. Currently I am employed in a job with no chance of promotion, ever. I spend Sundays looking for work, Monday nights looking for work, much of Tuesday evening-well the picture is clear. Sometimes I actively research the level of self mutilation I would need to endure in order to qualify for Social Security Disability. I have a mantra: I do really need food and shelter. My efforts of convincing myself are wearing thin and I am not containing it well.

Submitted by mr_hand on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 17:08.

I agree 100%.

I busted my ass for a 4-yr Business Degree because it was "the smart thing to do", and it would allow to get me a better paying job and this and that, and yet Ive graduated almost 2 years ago and still cannot get out of this shit banking job that Ive been at for 8 years. Just turned 30, still living with parents like most of my friends, what a fucking joke. What was the point?? So I could struggle making 26K a year with bullshit raises and shitty insurance. This place is filled with lifers making shit money and asskissers. How emabrrasing. So many times, I ask myself if I have to turn to crime to make some decent money.
Several years exeperience, college degree, respectful, intelligent, loyal and hardworking and I cant even get callbacks for these half-ass jobs Ive applied to???

Even a fucking sales job where you need to drive your own car, I couldnt even get a callback from the manager. Unreal.

A friend of mine in the same situation got turned down by a rent-a-car place, then finally found some shit sales job working nights, he finally said fuck this and quit and went to work with his old man.

What the hell is going on in the damn country??????

Submitted by abw73 on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 17:53.

Degrees usually don't mean shit. There are a few people I wouldn't want to deal with unless they had a college education. Doctor, dentist, physician, attorney. I don't want someone fuckin with my body unless they have school and have been approved by others in the field.

For teaching, computers, coffee bringer, phone answerer, banker, writer, painter, musician, the list is endless. Degree means nothing.

I guess employers think it proves you could stick out 2-4 years of school to get a piece of paper.

To this day I remember calling the University of Phoenix (in town) and asking about a certification. He tried to convince me I HAD to enroll and get a degree to get any decent job. Did he have one? Nope, he was a retired Marine who claimed nobody wanted to hire him with all of his helicopter mechanics because he didn't have a degree. Then either he can't write a resume for shit, or he's a liar. I told him straight up that if I don't enroll, HE doesn't make any money, and a degree doesn't prove shit. He shut up real fast.

It really bothers me seeing high school grads (or even GED) who have skills, don't know how to write a resume, checks into a college, then has a counselor convince him or her that without shelling out THOUSANDS of dollars, there are no good jobs out there. It's actually quite the opposite.

If it makes people feel better to shell out the money with NO guarantee of a job, go for it. I didn't and I make a decent living. I also have a very strong resume.